Is Baclofen The Same Thing As A Soma (Top voted first)

my mom has been taking somas and her doctor changed her meds and she is skeptical of new medicene.

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As an Occupational Therapist and RN and working for many years in all types of health care settings.....I strive to remain non-judgmental about any illnesses, weight problems, addictions and medications. It is not helpful. What is helpful is to realize that we are all different...our body chemistry is different....some people don't do well on some medications and some do. What is helpful is to have a doctor that listens to the patient and not a government gestapo member.
On a personal level.....I have a serious injury to my entire cervical spine and thoracic spine. It has altered the structure of shoulder joints and clavical positioning which is now causing thoracic outlet due to a whiplash injury on top of it last fall. Through the years.....I declined any opiod pain management and used occasional prednisone for flareups when nerves became impinged and then inflammed which creates pain. The miracle medication for me was 1-2 SOMA. The dose has been the same and have taken it on and off for 10 years. Did not even know it was supposed to create 'withdrawal' symptoms' until the recent 'hoopla' over the medication. When I did not need it ....I stopped taking it.....and there were no withdrawal effects. My MD has tried other muscle spasm medications and SOMA is the only one that works. Wow. I guess that makes me an addict. How dare I state a preference. I recently declined a medication that is a controlled substance (Clonazepam). I will repeat what I said to my MD....I don't want to start a medication that will 'label' me and in 5 or 10 years time they will find a reason to not prescribe it simply because someone, somewhere, found some other use for it. What is happening to this world when those who are injured and hurting are left to suffer and be judged because someone else used it for a non prescribed purpose.

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It is good that you kicked your habit on the drugs. Now, maybe you should consider kicking your attitude problem.

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Thank you Jean. I was scripted soma. Then my doc became very uptight and withdrew script. I am not a pill taker. I then was scribed baclofen , tizanadine, tramadol. I do not want the three . I find relief with soma. But docs at geisinger have been sanctioned on their oath to do no harm in exchange for the big pharms pockets. Soma was been used/abused by the new gen. Ravers so it had to been taken from responsible users. Punish all for the actions of a few. Baclofen may be a sister to soma but it has been altered on molecular level to prevent its combination with underground drugs giving the aniseed their 'high' I suffer daily because tramadol is the same as a gallon of coffee to me( I hate any thing that speeds my may abolish) had to object to it on 3 visits. Tizanadine I believe is a mental placebo for its noticeable relief. And the baclofen does not take the ache out of the pain. I can like any human adapt to my pain the brain will produce endorphins to block pain unless your brain is damaged but the brain can not block nerve ACHE and baclophen does not do this but soma did. I have 2 full bottles of baclofen that have expired and collecting dust, I have 5 full bottles of tizanadine collecting dust. I have a big bottle of tramadol also collecting dust. FYI tramadol is abused by a users for a speeder buzz. I learned this when From the underground when tried to gain info on it. But soma is no longer available due to its abuse in this and other countries but doctor will hand out handfuls of that OxyContin s*** to any jacked up meth head that stumbles in their door looking for a H fix. It is easier to circumvent the scripts then it is to be an honest law abiding citizen of the 'state' any more. Try a road paved in silk. And btw sk8r you need to find something better to do with your 'wizdom' more like h8ter you are a disinformation all propaganda machine and I wonder what ur true agenda iz & who u really work for. A cubicle harvesting informational facility for discrediting posts to help spread Stygma about usefull drugs. Ur a Pharm-er and your posts are laced with vinegar and hate post off.

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Sk8r00! If you really had half that s*** wrong with you, you wouldn't be able to move without some kind of narcotic pain med! I suffer from a million medical problems and I actually have half the s*** that you claim to have on top of having Lupus, and Rheumatoid Arthritis. There is nothing wrong with people taking/asking for info on any medications! Last I checked drug seekers don't seek information on drugs, they take the f***in drugs without caring about the effects as long as It gets them high. You bring up STATISTICS! REALLY?? Come on now, we both know that's a bunch of bulls***! Taking medications is actually safer then eating half of the food made and processed in America!

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I see that my response is years after the original post but perhaps it will help others that find this topic. The muscle relaxer that was prescribed at a dosage of 800mg and started with an s that one individual mentioned is Skelaxin. My reason for responding however is the implication that the medication Baclofen 10mg is inferior due to the dosage. I am not questioning the posters lack of satisfactory results or to promote one medication over another. I only mean to share some knowledge. You cannot compare the efficacy of two different medications based on dosage. 0.25mg of one medication could in fact be far more effective and/or stronger than 1000mg of a different medication in the same class. Don't discount a medication based on the dosage as it is completely irrelevant in the capacity of efficacy. Just an fyi...

HB RN, BSN

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i get bad tightness in ny muscles within my neck, middle and lower back. weird, when i took 2 somas that helped, but the flexeril didn't help at all. i tiold the doctor this and had asked for something stronger. he gave me a prescription i can't recall the name, but it strated with an s. i also know it was 800 mg.s and costs 300 dollars which my mediacaid and medicare would not pay. but they would pay for the generic which i got today, baclofen, but it's only 10 mg.s ! far from 800. i don't know if this is as good and as strong as what was reccomended, please tell me ........ please remind me of what that prescription is that starts with an s aswell, lol

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no baclofen is not exactly the same as soma. they are both muscle relaxers but baclofen is a little stronger. i had been on soma and flexeril for over two years and now they have switched me to baclofen. it does work alot better for muscle spasms

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Hi !! I just started taking baclofocen it makes me a zombie for hours . I only take it at night and wake up with a bad hangover . Ive taken soma before but my doctor wont give it to me and that's the muscle relaxer I need . My dr thinks its addictive but the zombie phase from soma is like 45 min vs 8 hours and then some. If I wanted to take a muscle relaxer to get " high" baclofocen is the one id use . Does anyone else feel this way with these two drugs ?

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I had spinal surgery due to a drunk driver hitting me 20 yrs ago been thru therepy meds the whole bit, I don't like taking the new meds because the side effects are worse that what your taking it for, I also have many allergies to meds, food & vitamins so I always have benedryl just in case, I have taken 2 soma a day & hydrocodone twice a day for many yrs & am not allervic. I am in my 50's. my doctor took me off of the soma & has giving me zanaflex, tramadol & flexeril, I was very allergic, they push oxycodone & I refuse to take them because anyone I know has died from them. she gave me baclafin today, so far I am not allergic & it is helping my spasms, I was recently in another accident from someone texting & now have all my neck discs herniated & pushing on my spinal cord, sever spasms & migrains, I am allergic to prednisone & my doctor agrees with my discs cutting off my spinal fluid I should not receive inj's. so far so good with the baclafin. I don't sleep for dasy due to the pain & migrains from the spasms & she felt them & its like rocks in my head, neck & down my spine & sciatica now down both my legs & I cant stand straight & when I sit I have to halfway laydown. she gave me Neurontin but not trying it yet, going to take baclafin for 3 days & if no reaction I know I am not allergic & will try the other med, I am in my 50's & really don't care about additiction I just want to be able to walk, I also have lupus & very painful. in 3 days I will stop the baclefin & try the other med to see if I am allergic to it, she said it would be good for my nerve pain if ok on that then I will try taking both together & hopefully I will have no reaction. I am not trying to feel high don't want to I just want to be able to walk & sit & play with my grandson. I don't want narcotics & have tried vitamins & such but they don't work so she gave me these new meds. she started me on low dose to make sure I am not allergic, & if I can take it she will raise my dose, the 10mg helps a little but I still have Charlie horses in my shoulderblades down threw my hips. I am really hoping I am not allergic & I refuse oxy's. I hope the medication for the nerve pain works & I am not allergic. I just want to walk & have as little pain as possible. it just upsets me that junkies get all the meds like soma & such but people like me with mri's to prove my injury cant get help. I really hope this works I don't look at the meds as narcotics or addictive, I am fine with non narcotic as long as it works. so far so good & have my benedryl at all times just in case. I am in my 50's with lupus & car accident injury & shouldn't have to go thru all this. I like my doctor cause we always try the non narcotic way & try the vitamins so hopefully this will work. I just want to be able to leave my bed & live life with less pain. I always have pain but if we can keep it at a minimal so I can enjoy my grandson I am happy. tramadol, xanaflex & flexeril did nothing for me but set my body on fire, migrains & quarter size hives & my eyes swolled up so if these meds work with no allergies I am happy, I just feel if someone like me who needs these meds & have documented proof of needing them if unable for doctors to give me then these young drug seeker should not be able to get them either.

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Am wanting to know at what rate baclofen treatment can be tapered off and the risk affects if stopped abruptly

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I wanted to reply to Sk8r00 & I hope you are still on this thread. I do understand where you are coming from as I had a car accident in March of 09 that turned my life upside down. The loss is overwhelming & the research you do after a point becomes maddening since everything conflicts the other eventually. Lack of sleep is one of the worst things I have known & finding a mattress that allows you to sleep is a nightmare since you don't really know what you truly have till you sleep on it. I have finally just ended up with mattress toppers since they are easy to replace & can have shipped to the house. I saw where you had mentioned a few meds & I have tried more than I care to have. A couple years prior to the accident my L-5 herniated & lucky me, it landed on the S1 nerve. A lot of what you are describing takes me back to that time except I only was able to take a week off of work & had to trudge through 6 months of nearly unbearable pain in my low back which radiated don both legs. My job involved a lot of sitting in a cubicle, research & answering other people's questions. There was far more to it but no real point to discussing something I no longer do. When I would go to see someone, go to a meeting or even on break, I would have to lay on the floor for a minimum of 5 minutes to undo what sitting in the chair had done then when I walked I had to use my right leg like a crutch to be able to do something that remotely resembled walking. I dreaded seeing my coworkers because they all felt bad & would say you really shouldn't be here or just give the looks of pity. I have never been a fan of pity but when you can't hide your problem you just kind of try to brush it off. My mom ha been trying to get me to try Neurontin but he was hesitant, finally after 6 months I had enough. The office said it may or may not work so I said I don't care, let's try it!

It took about a week & I was finally starting to walk more like a human. I would say it is definitely worth a try but I also have numerous allergies like another commenter. After the car I had to see a bunch of different doctors since everyone specializes in a different area, all in one would have been fabulous but no such luck. The one switched me to Lyrica & that gave me tremors so back to neurontin. As for pain & spasms I have run the gamut. I can say personally Soma has worked the best for the spasms but it now has some sort of stigma attache to it. I tried Flexeril which caused breathing problems, Zanaflex which did nothing & ended up with Skelaxin. Skelaxin doesn't work that good but it is better than the other 2 but the price really surprised me. Before the pain meds I wanted to mention Lexapro. The doctor knew of my lengthy allergies & decided to start me on a low dose. All I took was half a pill, I woke up at 1 am with severe pain in both arms. Let's see there was burning (like fire), numbness & I was afraid to turn on the light to look because they felt like they were swollen. I braved it & turned on the light & luckily there wasn't swelling but I couldn't use either arm or hand. I did get both damaged in the accident so I was pretty scared at this point. I managed to get the right side to be at a minimal pain but the left was horrible. I knew there was nothing I could do about it so I didn't bother anyone else since I was miserable & had to deal with it till 7 am when I finally got use back. I was at a point I was willing to have it cut off at the elbow if it would stop the pain. Actually I think that was where I thought it was going at that point. lol I can laugh now. I ha an appt with my neuro that day & he said it was a severe nerve reaction & never take it again. He trumped the other doctor & no more antidepressants for me. In the long run I have permanent problems so it wasn't to change that. I just had to learn to accept my limitations which most days I do at this point.
Now pain meds but before I get into all I have dealt with because of the injuries (back, neck, both hands, fibromyalgia, etc) I want to share a great site I came across. I found this doing research on doctors pushing certain meds & yes a found a few I had been sent to on it.

dailyfinance.com/2011/09/09/is-your-doctor-on-big-pharmas-payroll

I had finally found a really good, caring doctor. I felt completely confident in him as he had been down the same road with insurance companies & he was all about the patient. He had been the best neuro in the area but now was a working consultant due to being injured on the job. This man was still a very intelligent , well connected & understanding doctor even though he had lost part of his leg which left him confined to a wheelchair. He also developed other health problems so he was no longer able to operate. He had strong connections in the Philadelphia area & assured me that when the time came for surgery I would never hav to deal with the incompetent doctors in our area. Oh the relief! I was with him about 3 years when he unexpectedly died. My heart dropped & I felt so lost along with his other patients. I had to go to different doctors till I found one who took the time & listened/ I am happy with my current doctor but the ones in between were awful. The one group that agreed to cover my doctor's practice till it was taken over are the ones that led me to find the Big Pharma site. If they didn't want to covr they sholdn't have signed on but it was a group so pehaps some were better than others. The one I met with was not happy to be dealing with his patients & barely listened. He decided to change my pain med to Kadian which I told him I didn't want to switch & he told me he was basically doing me a favor since my doctor died, so take it or leave it. Also if I ha any problems finding the drug they ha a pharmacy they dealt with. That was my 1st clue things weren't to go well & to do some digging. I chose a day when I knew people would be home to try the pill of death. It was the lowest dose & it all went downhill from there. I felt totally exhausted, my heart rate was racing & my O2 was in the low 80's. They now have this warning in the black box, Life Threatening Respiratory Depression. I had the family really worried along with myself. The insurance company had a telenurse who wanted me to go to the hospital but I couldn't get myself there. She even called the next day to check on me because I said I would call the office that prescribed it to me instead. It took 2 calls to get the place to get the doctor on call to get back to me. He seemed distracted & said if I didn't feel comfortable taking them to take my original script & call the one who prescribed it the next morning. I called the office & when I got the return call he said he would switch it but I had to return the remainder of the script to their office. No problem & I took it back along with requesting a note from them stating they took it out of my possession. The woman wasn't pleased but as far as I'm concerned its a controlled substance & my insurance paid for it so I wasn't going to be responsible if it ended up with someone else. The new script was for basically the same thing just a different brand. I ha called the pharmacy & he said we don't carry it. I told her I didn't want it I just wanted to be sure what I had read was right & she also advised with the reaction I had that I shouldn't take. I told her I didn't plan on it. I called the doctor's office back & he said I can either take what they prescribed or not take anything. I told them I wouldn't be returning. I didn't even want to deal with doctors at this point so I held off on even seeing any. I changed my insurance & started from scratch which after the legal suit was really what I needed to do. I made the right choice & haven't had regrets since. I have found a younger healthy doctor who should be there for quite some time. Aside from near death I have had the following reactions:

Ultram- severe vomiting along with spinning room. One pill equaled a couple too many drinks.
Fentanyal Patches- Breathing problems along with extreme constipation.
Sulfa Drugs- Jaundice, reverse leg cramps (going down leg instead of up) & all joints cracking while moving. A trip to the ER which recorded it along with telling me to never take them again.
Ceclor- Anaphylaxis & an inj. at the ER.

Being as I have put more here than I had ever intended here's a good part of my diagnosis:

Paresthesias
Lumbar Radiculopathy
Mechanical Back Pain
Cervical Radiculopathy
Cervical Disk Herniation
Lumbar Disk Herniation
Spondylosis at L4-L5
Dextroscoliosis/ Lumbar Spine/ Curvature to the right
Dorsal Subluxation of the Dorsal Ulna with an effusion of the distal radioulnar joint
Synovitis- left hand & wrist
Fibromyalgia

To all of you going through chronic pain, I truly feel for you along with wishing you all the best. Be patient & find a doctor who will take the time to listen. I know they are few & far between but they are out there. Try to work with the options that are available to you but when you sense something is wrong then dig deeper & follow your instinct. Keep looking because there are many doctors out there who are on Big Pharma's payroll & all they care about is the money not you.

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baclofen work alot better than soma it really releives the pain quicker than soma.

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IMy doctor just gave me Baclodol 5mg/300mg carisoprodol (soma). Strange thing is I can't find any info on this pill that tells me what else is in the pill, btw, they are not as good a reuglar soma.

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I currently take soma as well and am trying baclofen for the first time. We will see how it works and let you know. As for the muscle relaxer that starts with an s. That is probably skelaxin.

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I take baclofen and neurontin. Before starting the two medications I didn't want to sleep because I couldn't handle the pain when I woke. It had been going on for over a year. The pain and burning was taking over my life. It would take hrs for me to get out of bed. It was scaring my kids to see me in bed crying and when I got up I could barely walk. No medication is a miracle drug but it made a significant difference. Ive been on both meds for over a year now. I can work out again, im back in the garden, n go skating w my kids:) I didn't want to be loopy and tired all the time and just wanted some relief and they gave it to me. I still have major flare ups every few months n I'm prescribed a 6 day prednisone regiment but I turn into the incredible hulk Lol, and very rarely do I take the percocets prescribed anymore because they make me dizzy about 2 hrs after I take them. If u haven't tried the neurontin yet I'd say give it a chance.....first night I took it I was loopy but I woke up at 6 am laughing.....I hadnt been up and about that early w a smile in over a year! I started taking it at bedtime. After a few days I didn't get loopy and was able to take it twice a day. Same story w baclofen. Started at night until I adjusted and I take that twice a day as well. Only bummer.....if I miss either one for a day or two I go back to how I felt and boy did I forget how bad it was! Hope my opinion helps...but we are all different

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Ok Mar, you are a interesting character. For someone who seems to know everything about pharmacology, you're somewhat misinformed on narcotics. You've stated your symptoms and med history. You've stated that you were prescribed Kadian( which is a name among hundreds of names for morphine, the non-synthesized version of the main ingredient of opium), but yet you were on Fentnyl( a synthesized version of an opioid antagonist, which is up to 100 times more potent than morphine and given in micro grams vs. mlgs). Fentnyl is a synthetic opioid pain reliever mainly prescribed for cancer patients in late stages of the disease, and for people who have extreme chronic pain. This drug is given primarily in the form of a Duragesic patch. Most common doses are 12.5, 25, and 50 mcgr's an hour time release patches. It is designed to help your pain for 72 hours and typically used in conjunction with a acute pain reliever or break-through pain reliever such as hydrocodone (Vicodin), or oxycodone (by itself or with Acetaminophen (Tylenol)(Percocet). Now you said you had breathing issues on both drug's, not surprisingly so, since both drug's and all opioid drugs will cause this side effect, but what is confusing to me is that you had a racing heart beat while on Kadian? This doesn't make sense. These are both CNS depressants. They slow down both your breathing AND slow down your heart rate, and the Fentnyl should have been significantly worse for you than the Kadian, but the fact that I have to put into play your history of allergies, and your perceived hatred of the pharmaceutical industry, maybe you did have these said symptoms. But I have to admit, that's a very confusing side effect. One more thing on this topic, we all have opioid receptors in our brains, their are our own natural pain killers. Their called endorphins. That's why opioid antagonist drugs work so well, because they bind with said receptors when taken. If you have these injuries and diseases(not saying you don't), I'm really surprised that you can even function at any capacity(with the meds that you are currently on). It's seems to be you've regressed on your pain management(at least from a pharmacology point of view).

Neurotin/Gabapentin is a anticonvulsant/analgesic family of drugs, the drug reacts with the GAMA region of the brain, suppressing the nerve reactions in the brain stem and subsequently the body's nerve reactions. This has been a controversial drug, in the sense that it has been advertised to treat many ailments that haven't been proven by the FDA. This drug works for most people that have been diagnosed with nerve based pain, and is a relatively safe drug. You also said that when you took a half dose of Lexapro, that you had severe arm pain. Lexapro is an antidepressant in the SSRI family that effects the selective seratonin reuptake inhibitors. The drug increases the intrasynaptic levels of the neurotransmitter seratonin by blocking the reuptake of the neurotransmitter into the presynaptic neuron. In plain english, the drug has nothing to do with pain. It's designed to help you feel better, by making you feel happy, not depressed. Which BTW is common side effect of chronic pain. Now it's been rarely seen, but sometimes people experience myalgia as a side effect, but that symptom is rare and involves muscle pain, not nerve pain. As with any SSRI, and most antidepressants, it takes a few weeks on the drug for you to get a therapeutic response. Now to the core of this thread. Soma vs. Baclofen. These drugs do work differently. Now baclofen was designed as an anti spasticity drug, mainly helping people with M.S. and Cerebral Palsy. It effects the GAMA b receptors in the brain. This drug interacts with these receptors, giving you relief from the pain associated with muscle spasms. The nice thing about this drug vs Soma, is that it takes a lot more time and higher doses to develop a tolerance, unlike Soma. Soma (or Carisoprodol) is a drug that works on the brain also, but unlike Baclofen, Soma has more of a sedating effect and analgesic effect than Baclofen. It does help you with muscle relaxation, but it will possibly have less desirable side effects. In most of Europe, it's been taken off the market, because of the fear of abuse, dependency, and withdrawal symptoms.

The European Dr's feel that benzodiazepines are safer than Soma. Which i find extremely interesting. Since I personally think benzodiazepines can be very dangerous if taken for a long time.(my personal opinion) Both drug's can have the same CNS depressing symptoms, since that's how they work. Skelaxin and similar drug's (methocarbamol), work by blocking nerve sensations to the brain, they don't work by effecting the brain, but work by blocking signals to the brain. Thus they have less side effects, but also have a tendency to not work very well for people with severe chronic pain. Everything you have talked about taking, is mainly CNS depressant medication. And the whole anti pharmaceutical talk, I can sympathize and agree with you somewhat. But I do think that you should do more research, and give some meds a chance. Plus keep a cautious, but open mind. I feel like there's more of a mental health issue than your letting on to be. Don't get me wrong, chronic pain is extremely taxing on your mental health, I myself being a suffering patient. But you need to remember, if you're suffering so bad and want relief, you have a couple options, take meds that help you have a life, or don't, and most likely be miserable. If taken carefully and correctly, all the meds you've talked about, should allow you to have relief and get your life back.

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I took soma for 30 years after a failed second back surgery. I decided to wean from it after it started to cause me to feel anxiety after it wore off. I think the ingredients changed. I even paid for name brand thinking it was the generic causing the problem. Anyway, I started to wean but realized weaning was not necessary so I just stopped. Problem is the muscles have tightened and the pain increased. I don't want to list my ailments but I have many such as RA,ulcerative colitis, hypothyroidism, diabetes, sjrogrens, and cervical, thoracic and lumbar spinal degeneration. Recently I could not sit on my right side and my doctor did not want to even x Ray it. My rheumatologist finally did an MRI and the results showed torn tendons in more than 4 places among other problems. I have had health issues since I was 17. I have tried many meds. I am now on norco and Ativan for pain and many other meds for my other problems. My doctor wants me to wean off telling me about Prince and Michael Jackson. I am me. I don't know their issues and they don't have anything to do with me. Doctors are afraid of liability issues. My doctor suggested I see a pain management dr. I did. He said he saw no problem. I was only on two pain meds. He said the other doctors are just afraid of prescribing these and not to worry. I feel for those in pain cause the trend now is to get everyone off. They say on tv that Americans use more than all these other countries. Well, I see it from my situation. The baby boomers are only getting older and more pain comes with old age and so naturally people will use more. Real illnesses need real pain medication not doctors who are thinking about their insurance costs and pleasing insurance companies. Remember quality of life. You can go around with your face all cringed in pain and be all irritable or be slower and more careful but bear the pain a little more relaxed.

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I won't take baclofin for that reason. It makes me a zombie. My doctor wants me on a fentynal patch for pain management with soma 1-350 mg 3 times a day or 10mg oxycodone 6 times a day for breakthrough pain. I'm not keen on either so for now I'm having a trial for a spinal chord stimulator implant. I use a hospital grade tens machine and lidocaine patches, along with torodol injections. But I really don't like the way baclofin makes me feel at all and it doesn't help with pain management. At least not for me.

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If you know so much about ravers not abusing soma you must also know (sounds like you have had some experience with that lifestyle) ravers enjoy "drug of choice" molly (also known as 'E'), along with any other mind altering drugs to stay up for days and to sleep with only God knows who!!!! My advise to you high and mighty, there is only one judge and that is GOD, so get over yourself. People have real pain issues so go on "RAVER" party on with your illegal drugs!!!!

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